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[Scott]

I was having a back and forth conversation with another forum member about Artificial Intelligence and wandered, where is it going? Sure it's commonly thought to be tied in with games (which it is) but where else could extremely complex AI be used in. One thing that comes in mind is the military. Using a gun that only shoots at people in it's database or possible who don't have a chip like the rest of the military. Complex AI could be used in hospitals as well. Helping doctors figure out the disease and best treatment for a patient with voice commends and comparing the look of the patient to other patients who had other diseases. There are many possibilities. Then my mind just kept thinking about other things in the future. Like teleportation with atom-entanglement, time travel by going the speed of light, harnessing photons for power, etc. So if you have something nerdy to talk about or just want to comment on something I've said feel free. If it gets enough interest maybe admin will consider it it's own thread? Anyway I anticipate the things you guys (and girls) have to say.

[Ironman21]

I do agree with you that the use of complex AI in medical and military fields would be amazing. the only thing that would be bad is "IF THEY TAKE OVER!!!" lol. But really, eventually AI could get smart enough to have independant thought and modify themselves right? Or is that just a common misconseption?

[Scott]

I think it's more of science fiction. Although you could make the AI seem to go haywire. Say you built a robot for use in the military for fighting. You then put an encrypted, hidden file containing a script that would re-work some code to make the robot go chaotic. Let's say it was targeting soldiers that don't have a chip. The script is then remotely accessed and re-writes the code to attack everyone with a chip instead without. Then the robot would turn around and attack it's own troops. It would also make sense if the the army's civilians had chips as well in case of using the robots in their own country. This would then mean if there were any patrolling robots in the army's country it would attack the civilians as well. So yes it could take over but I think robots just turning on humanity without human interference is a little far fetched. Well.....Now that I think about it....If you built a learning robot that learn't from it's surroundings, then yes they could learn free will. But to program a robot that is that smart is hard to fathom. Maybe in 50-100 years they'll have a more efficient programming language to handle something like this. In which case I will then be nervous of the robots and transformers.

[Ironman21]

transformers would be awesome to have around. Just autobots, not decepticons

but I do agree with you that technology has a long way to go before robots could take over

[Scott]

I just want jetpacks and teleportation. Transformers are too dangerous. I don't want to die from a falling transport truck coming from the sky.

[Ironman21]

lol
I just want to be able to have a force field around me so that I could walk right out in the middle of a war and not be touched by nothing

[Scott]

Well from what I've heard teleportation is a possibility with atom-entanglement, something you may or may not want to check out. It seems like a cool prospect but I don't think it will be ready anytime soon and even if it did happen I'm sure someone would use it for evil : (. You could get relief in Haiti much faster though. And getting around and viewing the world would be easier but the price and danger of such a thing sucks. If we had tubes like in Futurama we could get around fast around a city, maybe even a country. So many things the 50's were wrong about 2010. If we had flying cars and hoverboards I wonder what would come next?

[Ironman21]

the only problem would be your atoms getting scrambled lol :shock: :o

[Scott]

I wonder if that would hurt? Never the less it's a relatively easy thing to study as you could try to teleport anything (considering that everything has atoms). So you would probably not want to try a human first, but an apple. Then if nothing or only minor problems occur but with relative success, try a raccoon. Then maybe start picking off the slowest of the children in 3rd grade to try it on next and continue in this fashion.

[Sam]

I was having a back and forth conversation with another forum member about Artificial Intelligence and wandered, where is it going? Sure it's commonly thought to be tied in with games (which it is) but where else could extremely complex AI be used in. One thing that comes in mind is the military. Using a gun that only shoots at people in it's database or possible who don't have a chip like the rest of the military. Complex AI could be used in hospitals as well. Helping doctors figure out the disease and best treatment for a patient with voice commends and comparing the look of the patient to other patients who had other diseases. There are many possibilities. Then my mind just kept thinking about other things in the future. Like teleportation with atom-entanglement, time travel by going the speed of light, harnessing photons for power, etc. So if you have something nerdy to talk about or just want to comment on something I've said feel free. If it gets enough interest maybe admin will consider it it's own thread? Anyway I anticipate the things you guys (and girls) have to say.

Ah this is my cup of tea I've done alot of personal research into AI (using the internet, not actual in a lab research) and am studying physics at university so i hear alot about these sort of subjects reguarly.

I'll start of with AI. Currently our AI is pretty stupid and the programming generally revolves around programming in thousands of events that could happen and then programming in the appropiate responses. This is not intelligance! These AI do not really have the ability to make decisions of thier own free will when you get down to it, they are effectivly doing what they are told.

One aspect of our intelligence that most people do not realise (and hollywood never encorporates) is that it depends on our emotion. This may sound odd but but scientists think that there is a massive link between higher levels of intelligence and emotional capacity. This is because our emotional capacity helps us to evaluate our decision proccess.

Alot of people have wrote articles about this and what not and alot of them say that we simply cannot programme in a human-like intelligance at current technology. However, this does not mean that we have given up computer scientists have come up with some interesting ways to create intelligence in robots. One way is to get robots to become clever like we humans do, through learning. When we are first born we know nothing, we can't talk or walk and are completly dependant on our parents to look after us. We can only really function, with simple fundamental instincts we learn quite complicated things over the course of our lifes. This has inspired scientists to do things like this:
http://www.imagination-engines.com/robo ... a_rasa.htm
If we can get the to learn tasks why not use the same approach towards general intelligence?

Another really interesting (and perhaps frightening) piece of research that has happened:
http://www.channon.net/alastair/
That link is more about forcing programmes to change and compete against each other to gain the upper hand. Which has actually produced intelligent like effects in programming. I know of one company to build a programme that you give a task (like walk from a to b) and it builds 100 different programmes randomly and runs them all. It then selects the 10 best programmes and 'mates' them to make 100 new programmes and repeats. This proccess actually produced incredable results with the programme successully completing its objective in under 10 'generations' of programmes.

Thats all I really can remember right now about the field of artificial intelligence, on to some of the more physics related topics:
Like teleportation with atom-entanglement, time travel by going the speed of light, harnessing photons for power

1) Travelling faster than the speed of light is impossible, Einstein postulated that the maximum speed you could travel at was the speed of light in his theories of general and special relativity, which then gave him some lee-way in his calculations and have led to some robust theories that to date have never been broken or even faltered and until that day we cannot travel faster than the speed of light. But have hope as one of the basic postulates of quantum theory directly contradicts that of relativity...yet both work..an both have lead to revolutions in the world of physics....so one could be wrong and who knows, it could be to do with the speed of light?

However there are other ways of getting across the universe, in a shorter time than it would take light but not actually travelling faster than it. The way you could do this is via wormholes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormholes
ok look at the first picture, usually we go along the red line, like light and travel that distance but if you went through a wormhole you could travel a shorter distance and effectivly arrive at your destination faster than usual. If my crap description makes no sense, have a read through that article.

2) Time travel can't happen in the same universe and this is why:
http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/glossary/g ... radox.html

3) Teleportation can happen under current theory. Just not like startrek, de-matterisation would require you to know the postion and velocity of all particles in your body, which directly contradicts the heisenberg uncertanty principle (spelling?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle
meaning you couldnt record the data needed to de-molecularise yourself and re-asemmble yourself under current theory, however in the future this could be possible if we sort the mess of quantum out.

Speaking of quantum, there are two things that have happened on the quantum scale that actually have exhibited teleportation, to some degree, one is quantum teleportation and the other is quantum tunneling. I know nothing about quantum teleportation but do know how tunneling works, however right now i need a bit of a break from writing this post (im very hung over)

[Ironman21]

Holy Crud!!!
took me ten minutes to read it

Sounds like you know a lot more than me.
I could see how emotions work with AI, because when I'm ticked and play a game, I make reckless decisions taking my anger out on the game's AI, and disregarding common sense and everything.

[Scott]

@Tretarn

Very interesting read. I never thought of using Wormholes to move across space. Aren't their destinations random? Or are they always constant?

Also I have realized that time travel is impossible which is unfortunate. I thought of it with a much simpler paradox like example (at least simpler to me). My thought is that you can't go backward in time because we would be seeing people from the future. Unless like in Family Guy, they are forbidden to talk about what year they come from. This seems improbable. The only other explanation is that we are the first cycle to discover time travel. This would imply then that time is cyclical and non linear like it is thought (and pretty well known). But is not possible that we could find a way to travel forward in time? Again I'm doubtful because time is not an object to be manipulated but who knows what the future beholds (probably not time travel).

I've heard about the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle before, and I guess it would mean that re-atomizing (?) would be impossible as the velocity, position, etc of each separate atom is blurred. Is a principle a law or a theory? Either way I really hope this becomes reality.

I realize that we need to make a new, more powerful, and efficient programming language to make truly intelligent artificial intelligence, but I can't see why this is so far away? Personally, I think it should be possible in 25 years the way we are progressing. Maybe I'm wrong but I hope I'm not.

[Ironman21]

Well, when you think about it, the only downside of using wormholes and such is that reatomization could go really badly

[Scott]

Ya, I wouldn't want to come out seeing my heart in front me and my left eye ball in my belly button.

[Ironman21]

That would just suck
see your heart...then dead
However, if they found some way to make it work well, it would be awesome!
I wouldn't like the fact though, that if they knew that you weren't home, they could, instead of breaking into it, just simply zap in and steal everything. That would just suck.