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Re: Education (Example of a world gone mad?)

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:45 am
by sukispartan
If you want to see it, I can email it to you.

Re: Education (Example of a world gone mad?)

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:54 pm
by Ironman21
you do that. Email it to "the email I pm u"

Re: Education (Example of a world gone mad?)

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:48 pm
by Scott
With....? (Language, program, ???)

Re: Education (Example of a world gone mad?)

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:00 pm
by sukispartan
Sorry for the long wait, my computer got a virus. I solved the issue but it messed up my computer somewhat. I just used a simple GAME MAKER 8 to make the game, iam aware it's nothing like the real deal.

Re: Education (Example of a world gone mad?)

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:39 pm
by Scott
Although it may not be like the "real deal" it is a good start. It allows you to focus on more of the developing and game mechanics rather than bugs and other tedious issues. It allows you to grasp the mechanics of different genres before you go too far in. Just make sure to resist the urge to use pre-made sprites. It's best to make them yourself or team up with someone if you don't find yourself artistic enough (as I'm doing).

Re: Education (Example of a world gone mad?)

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:14 pm
by Ironman21
Yeah, i tried creating a game one time and i tell you what, it sucked.

Re: Education (Example of a world gone mad?)

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 11:16 am
by sukispartan
Yeah. I had a computer programmer in my class for career day and I got a lot of stuff for asking alot of questions.

1. a stress ball
2. a keychain
3. a mousepad
4. a thing that light s up.

Re: Education (Example of a world gone mad?)

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:49 pm
by Scott
Where I live (Ontario) there is a program for Grade 8-12 students that have a high achievement in academic excellence. There students chosen from multiple school boards to go to a mini-course at either Ottawa U or Carleton. I was lucky enough to be chosen and will be attending a programming mini-course for the rest of the week. Should be interesting. There are also Universities and Colleges around my area that hold such things for anyone to attend. You should ask you student councilor about something like this.

Re: Education (Example of a world gone mad?)

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 7:22 pm
by sukispartan
i should... hey i live in NY! We're pretty close by. (If 600 miles is close to you)

Re: Education (Example of a world gone mad?)

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:42 pm
by Scott
Because I'm such a nice guy I'll post an email I sent a friend interested in programming. It's a run down of the main difference between interpreted and compiled languages (although there is many more) and gives links and advice on starting out on Ruby and C++. There are some spelling mistakes and a few grammatical errors (which I'm sad to admit) but you should get the jist of it. Hope it helps.
Scott wrote: So to follow up our conversations, I sent this e-mail. It contains
information that will start you on your exciting adventure into
programming. Be prepared for a long read.

I'm not going to lecture you (as I am not a professor.....yet) but I
will give you links and advice that will hopefully be useful. I will
also show you the code for the "Hello World" program for each
language.*

*A "Hello World" program is the common starting program for any
beginner. It simply writes "Hello World" to the screen.

RUBY

Ruby is a very high level programming language (that means there is a
high degree of abstraction from what a computer actually communicates
in (if you still don't get it just ask or check Wikipedia )) and
unfortunately is interpreted. THIS means that you cannot just run it
on any machine. You need the Ruby interpreter. For instance, if I
spoke German you would most likely not have a clue what I am saying
(assuming you're not German, which I am assuming). The same thing goes
for programming. Although programming languages may look like a
computer communicating, it is not. Of course computers communicate in
binary. People did used to program in assembly which is so low level
(not abstract to what the computer does) it look more complicated that
binary. Anyway, interpreted languages are in German and the computer
in English. They need the interpreter to translate it so they will
know what you are saying. Even though it is interpreted, Ruby is a
good language to start with. It is easy to read (know as beautiful
code) and there is lots of help and tutorials out there.

You can check the Ruby site out and download the interpreter and libraries here:
http://www.ruby-lang.org/

Another link to get you started on Ruby is here:
pine.fm/LearnToProgram/

Other languages similar to Ruby are Python, Perl, and many more. I do
suggest Ruby though because it is the most popular out of the 3
(although Python is gaining popularity because of it's ability to
compile). *Compiling will be explained later*

"Hello World" in Ruby

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puts 'Hello World'
gets.chomp
As you can see it is very high level as most people could guess what
that does. If you see "" around the program, that means BBCode
doesn't work with Gmail in which I am currently using! Yay, I'm a
failure! But seriously, even if it doesn't work, it does separate it
from the text here. On most forums they would want you to use that for
easier readability.



C++ is completely different from Ruby. It is not as high level but it
is much more flexible. Not to say Ruby is bad, it is definitely a good
starting point if you are worried about the complexities of C++. Ruby
teaches how to use techniques in a simple manner, and C++ shows you
the complex ways of using the same techniques. Also math is important,
be good at math.


C++

C++ is complex but a very fun and efficient language. I made a test to
see which language could count to 10 million the quickest. Ruby took
about 33 seconds on average while C++ only took 0.7 seconds on
average. It's a staggering amount although again, Ruby is still good.
Back to C++. C++ IS compilable and not interpreted. This means that
you compile a program and turn into a .exe (standard application
extension). This can now run on most machines. To go back to the
German to English analogy, the German man learns a fractured English
phrase which most English people could make out what he was saying.
Some may have no clue and some may not have noticed it's fractured. If
the German man wants to add something else onto the phrase, a
verb(human) or a multidimensional array(computer), then he will have
to go back to the German-English dictionary and find out what he needs
to learn. So back to programming, you create a C++ program (actually a
source file) and the compiler turns it into a program that can be run
anywhere. The program is the scrap piece of paper he wrote it on. The
program in the interpreted scenario was the words the interpreter
spoke to the English person. It's just quicker if there is no middle
man. C++ is more difficult but still a very fun language to learn.

A compiler to start of with can be found here:
http://bloodshed-dev-c.en.softonic.com/

Many people say it's outdated (which it is only in features) but it's
simple interface makes it easy to learn on.

Tutorial:
http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/

Great website with a helpful forum base.

Book:
Sams Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days

This is the book I am currently using and is highly recommended. In
case you haven't noticed, I have been using it for well over 21 days.
This is because the title is complete BS but the content is very good.
You will get content, summary, FAQ, varied exercises, and answers for
each lesson. You can find this book online or at Chapters. It is more
expensive than an average book because it could be used as a text book
and we both know how expensive those suckers are.

Practicing is the best way to learn something. Programming is no
exception. Here is a link to some very good exercises from beginner to
expert:
http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/articles/12974/

Disregard the Suggested Study Order. I don't find this a very good
order but it is still up to you.

"Hello World" in C++

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#include <iostream>

int main()
{
    std::cout << "Hello World\n";

    std::cin.get();
    std::cin.get();
    return 0;
} 
Much more complex right? Well it is. It is doesn't hard to understand
though, just look complex when you don't know what it is. Also, after

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std::cout << "Hello World\n";
it is really just making
sure that console to close to earlier and let's the user shut it down.
That's what

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gets.chomp
was in the Ruby version.

Hope this was helpful and feel free to ask about anything.

- Scott
EDIT:
Also just to clarify, this was to a friend so you that's who I'm talking to.

EDIT:
Another I would like to mention is the test I refer to is not 100% conclusive because I created a BogoMIPS (wiki it) and not a true benchmark. Also, if you want a easier compilable language to learn, I would recommend Python. I have only dabbled in it myself but it is very easy to understand (although white is a syntax :evil:). Anyway, if you have any questions (or corrections...) then let me know.

Re: Education (Example of a world gone mad?)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:16 pm
by sukispartan
Me: :?:

Note: I learned my first hacking move and the basics of the basic of C++