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Re: Nerd-arama

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:10 pm
by Ironman21
Yes, the one downside of the teleport is that you can't go back in time to get to where you came from

Re: Nerd-arama

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:14 pm
by Scott
Ironman21 wrote:Yes, the one downside of the teleport is that you can't go back in time to get to where you came from
Wait I'm confused. Teleporting and time travel in one sentence makes my head hurt. :?

Re: Nerd-arama

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:19 pm
by mikill
Let me ask you a question. Do you have free will? Well the idea of free will is the concept of yourself making your own choices. Now a computer-based program probably would think it self to death in a sense. A computer supposedly is superior to human mentally but not physically. And by mentally I mean intelligence, logic, etc. now computer were probably look at it so analyzing that it knows it can comprehend and understand knowledge at a much faster rate than humans it could very well believe it is superior in that aspect. Now what I'm saying is a computer generally works on the program now program without guidelines is to create and think on its own. Like a person without morals so if you take away the guidelines are the chance that it could go haywire on you. Unfortunately we have no AI to test this right now but rest assured next hundred years or so that there could well very be one. Think of any and AI as a learning human child as you will. Now we look at child child doesn't know much but it's easily willing to learn. So if you tell a child that is an Apple and its edible the child will eat it. Now if you tell a computer that you must defend this by killing other people you are removing one of the guidelines to protect your guidelines. And a computer could also make a mistake. Basically an AI as long as has guidelines and rules to which programming would be all right but without guidelines it's like a person without morals.

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Re: Nerd-arama

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:29 pm
by Scott
mikill wrote:Let me ask you a question. Do you have free will? Well the idea of free will is the concept of yourself making your own choices. Now a computer-based program probably would think it self to death in a sense. A computer supposedly is superior to human mentally but not physically. And by mentally I mean intelligence, logic, etc. now computer were probably look at it so analyzing that it knows it can comprehend and understand knowledge at a much faster rate than humans it could very well believe it is superior in that aspect. Now what I'm saying is a computer generally works on the program now program without guidelines is to create and think on its own. Like a person without morals so if you take away the guidelines are the chance that it could go haywire on you. Unfortunately we have no AI to test this right now but rest assured next hundred years or so that there could well very be one. Think of any and AI as a learning human child as you will. Now we look at child child doesn't know much but it's easily willing to learn. So if you tell a child that is an Apple and its edible the child will eat it. Now if you tell a computer that you must defend this by killing other people you are removing one of the guidelines to protect your guidelines. And a computer could also make a mistake. Basically an AI as long as has guidelines and rules to which programming would be all right but without guidelines it's like a person without morals.

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I'm unsure of what point you are trying to back up. I understand AI can't really have free will but we can make the choices random based on statistics of what a "normal" human would do in a similar situation. This what require a lot of study of the human brain function but I think with time it could be done.

Re: Nerd-arama

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:37 pm
by Matthew
Wormholes are essentially portal type things.

There is something called time dilation. It doesn't allow you to travel through time but it changes the speed that things work. Essentially, very fast things work slower. Clocks in GPS satellites have to be tuned differently to earth clocks, because of this.

You can't live longer, relatie to yourself. You will always live at the same rate, but if you went very fast, relative to slower people, you would be running very slowly compared to them. Sounds odd but that means, the slower things would have developed more than they would have done relatively to yourself, if you weren't going as fast.

Hence, if you were travelling very fast for a long period of time, it would appear that you have traveled time, when in fact you have not. You have simply worked slow enough for things to progress more relative to you than would have been otherwise.

Think about Futurama. Fry is frozen for 1000 years. To him the future comes instantly but he hasn't traveled in time at all. He's simply been frozen. Think of it, that you become slightly more frozen when you increase speed.

How does this work? Well I think that as objects increase speed, they must slow down the same factor that light has to slow down to keep constant. Light cannot change speed though a vacuum. Light though a vacuum is constant.

I'm no expert on time dilation but it's proven to be real (GPS proved it) and very interesting.

Re: Nerd-arama

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:41 pm
by Scott
CrytekUK.info wrote:Think about Futurama.

That's all you have to say to explain anything to me. :D

Re: Nerd-arama

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:45 pm
by Matthew
Except you shouldn't really use Futurama as an example to prove anything.

It's the funniest cartoon, in my opinion.

Re: Nerd-arama

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:46 pm
by mikill
Scott wrote:

I'm unsure of what point you are trying to back up. I understand AI can't really have free will but we can make the choices random based on statistics of what a "normal" human would do in a similar situation. This what require a lot of study of the human brain function but I think with time it could be done.
I'm kind of back up the point that artificial intelligence units are supposed to only do what they're programmed to their is a chance they could do whatever they want as long as it does not contradict the original programming so what's to stop an AI from saying maybe I should optimize my programming so I'm more proficient of what I do. Then you have an AI with limited free will in a sense. So as long as it is a contradict the programming whitecapped have free will so that's what you have to put in guidelines are vented from killing or murdering or stealing or whatever.


On the other note 1 holes are not 100% known what their effects are. So you won't be basically stretch you like a spaghetti noodle or transfer you to another galaxy there are a million ideas and theories but no one knows exactly what they do or how they work.

Re: Nerd-arama

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:51 pm
by Scott
It has many scientifically accurate statements but ya it's still science fiction. And it is also my favourite television show too. As we type back and forth I'm looking at a scale model of Bender's head with the complete series inside. Can't wait for the 2 new seasons starting this year.

Re: Nerd-arama

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:52 pm
by mikill
I don't like futurama.

Re: Nerd-arama

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:55 pm
by Scott
mikill wrote:I don't like futurama.


:o *GASP* :o

Re: Nerd-arama

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:57 pm
by mikill
I'm Canadian.

Re: Nerd-arama

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:03 pm
by Matthew
What does that have to do with it?

Most scientists appear to agree that black holes crush large amounts of mass into a very small space. So basically, if you go into a black hole, you will get crushed, to something smaller than we can comprehend.

Re: Nerd-arama

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:08 pm
by mikill
I wasn't talking about the worm holes.

Re: Nerd-arama

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:11 pm
by Sam
mikill wrote:I don't like futurama.
:shock:

It's my favourite cartoon by far. For any fans our there:

http://www.hitfix.com/articles/2009-6-9 ... ng-in-2010

if you didn't already know that is ;)

back on topic:
CrytekUK.info wrote: Most scientists appear to agree that black holes crush large amounts of mass into a very small space. So basically, if you go into a black hole, you will get crushed, to something smaller than we can comprehend.
I think there could be a possibility that mass might go into a quantum state of matter:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose%E2%80 ... condensate

as the atoms would be so close together thier wavefunctions will overlap regardless of temperature